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  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited August 2008

    Well Rosemary--I may have been right---Texas Congressman and the one Pelosi was pushing hard for---Chet Edwards..............

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited August 2008

    This won't go over big with he Daily Kos crowd...........

    An earlier article from the American Prospect

    NO, THE OTHER EDWARDS.

    Nancy Pelosi proposed an unlikely candidate as Barack Obama's running-mate yesterday -- Texas Rep. Chet Edwards. Edwards represents the 17th district, a heavily Republican area with a Cook Partisan Voting Index of R+18. He's also notable as the only Democratic congressman targeted by Tom DeLay's 2003 redistricting plan to survive.

    While the appeal of picking a Texas Democrat, especially one who has beaten back adversaries like DeLay in past elections, is understandable, Edwards would be a poor choice. Not only did he vote for the Iraq war authorization in 2002, a vote which could undermine the Obama campaign's emphasis on foreign policy judgment, he has an, at best, mixed record when it comes to votes on withdrawal.

    While he voted for the House leadership's Responsible Redeployment from Iraq Act in 2007, he also voted for a Republican resolution in 2006 rejecting an "arbitrary date for withdrawal or redeployment", and for a 2007 emergency appropriations bill for the war without a timetable for withdrawal (he even voted against an amendment adding such a timetable). The latter two votes, along with his votes in 2007 and this past week for telecom immunity have led to his inclusion on Matt Stoller and Chris Bowers' list of "Bush Dog Democrats".

    His conservative record doesn't stop with national security issues; he voted to make permanent the repeal of the estate tax, in favor of the Bankruptcy Reform bill, for drilling in ANWR, and against the 2007 House renewable energy bill. Perhaps most egregiously, he was one of thirty-six House Democrats to vote in favor of the the Federal Marriage Amendment in 2004. Is it really too much to expect the Democratic vice presidential nominee to be, at least, not to the right of John McCain on LGBT equality?

    For what it's worth, Edwards has said he would not turn down the post if asked, but that he hasn't been contacted by the Obama campaign. I'm pretty sure it will stay that way.

    --Dylan Matthews

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited August 2008

    Obama/Edwards signs would look pretty funny.

    It's Axelrods play for McCain's veterans vote.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/22/the-inexplicable-chet-edwards-boomlet/?print=1

  • anneshirley
    anneshirley Member Posts: 1,110
    edited August 2008

    Interesting, Susie, that she wasn't vetted.  What an insult to her and her supporters.  The man is incorrigible!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2008

    Rosemary, it's funny that you mentioned Pelosi.  I was going to tell Anneshirley that OLD women also was rooting for Obama.  I can't remember if Pelosi came straight out and said it, but she sure was excited that Obama won.  And, may I say again...I cannot stand Pelosi.  She reminds me of a marionette with that phoney plastered on smile.  Actually, perhaps Obama can be the marionette.  LOL

    If you ask people why the want Obama for president..many do not say we need a dem in office.  They talk about his speeches, his delivery of them, his new and refreshing, his looks, on and on and on.  I now think people are beginning to THINK! 

    Who knows who's going to win.  The polls are too close.  We can't go by that.

    And, Rosemary, I agree with you about Hillary's statements.

    I think McCain got his Moses ad from this.  Actually, I laughed when I saw her on TV.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pPV1yd7sQg&feature=related

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2008

    I heard about the "vetting thing."  However, like some said she's been around so long she's almost vetted.  However, when Bill and Hillary refused to turn over the Clinton Library donors that would be sort of risky for Obama to name her for VP.

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited August 2008

    Maybe the "Obama - Edwards" campaign materials had already been sent to the printer when the story broke about the John Edwards affair.  Trying to make the best out of a bad situation, they decided to see if there was another "Edwards".  Look, over there in Texas, it's Chet! 

    That would be about as logical as a lot of the things that the Obama campaign has done.

    Edwards (Chet, that is) is admitting now that he has been vetted.  http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/22/1285072.aspx 

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited August 2008

    And the mystery goes on.......... This from Drudge.......

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    Obama/Bayh? Did Drudge Stumble Upon a Printer Leak or Just Misinfo? (Update)

    August 22nd, 2008

    Obama Bayh 08 Bumper Sticker

    Update: Original story comes from KMBC:

        KMBC’s Micheal Mahoney reported that the company, which specializes in political literature, has been printing Obama-Bayh material. That’s Bayh as in U.S. Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana. Word leaked out about the material as it was being printed up by Gill Studios of Lenexa. The Obama campaign had said it would make the announcement by text message on Friday.

        Gill Studios, would not confirm information about the material. They would not deny it either. The company president would not comment when asked by Mahoney about the reports. But at least three sources close to the plant’s operations reported the Obama-Bayh material was being produced.

    From Drudge, take it or leave it.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2008

    HAHAHA, Susie.  It's Friday until 11:59 PM.  I wonder if he'll annouce it ET or PT?

    Beesie, I dated a "Chet" when I was about 17.  No, it wasn't that Edwards dude.  In fact, I forget the guys last name. LOL  But he was cute. 

    Shirley

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited August 2008

    Secret service has been dispatched to Biden------------

    From ABC's Political Punch

    U.S. Secret Service on Way to Biden's House; Kaine and Bayh Told Nope on Veep

    August 22, 2008 10:50 PM

    The United States Secret Service has dispatched a protective detail to assume the immediate protection of Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., a source tells ABC News, indicating in all likelihood that Biden has been officially notified that Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, has selected him to be his running mate.

    Sources also tell ABC News that two others said to be finalists for the position of Obama's running mate -- Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., and Virginia Gov Tim Kaine -- have been told they have not been selected for the vice presidential slot.

    Kaine flew to Denver earlier today, is in Denver tonight and has no plans to leave in the next 24 hours. Bayh is at his Washington, DC, home with his family.

    Biden was last seen minutes ago at his Wilmington estate where his extended brood is gathering.

    The Obama campaign would not comment, but Obama mentioned Biden twice in speeches on the trail this week, both times heralding his legislative leadersip in East Asia.

    At the VFW convention in Orlando, Florida, on Tuesday, Obama said, "we must help Georgia rebuild that which has been destroyed. That is why I’m proud to join my friend, Senator Joe Biden, in calling for an additional $1 billion in reconstruction assistance for the people of Georgia."

    And in Chesapeake, Virginia, Friday night, Obama heralded Biden's efforts to provide economic assistance to Afghanistan.

    "I joined with people like Joe Biden to increase a billion dollars of investment," he said.

    -- ABC News' Ann Compton, Matt Jaffe, Jay Shaylor, and Jake Tapper

    August 22, 2008 | Permalink | User 

  • anneshirley
    anneshirley Member Posts: 1,110
    edited August 2008

    I'm not surprised.  Biden has expressed his admiration of Obama.  As I remember, he said Obama was clean and articulate. LOL 

    Seriously though, I wouldn't have  been upset if Biden had beaten Hillary for the nomination, as he does have foreign relations experience (lots), an area where Obama is completely lacking, but then Obama is lacking in every area, particularly in economics. I still can't figure out how anyone with an education above Eight Grade level could think Obama is qualified to be president..  I was truly surprised to find out how many Americans are stuck in the American Idol phase of development. However, we do have a precedent in Bush Jr., which really does prove that anyone can be president--not a good president, but president nonethless.

    McCain was quick to put out an ad with Biden talking negative about Obama and praising McCain.  Shades of Hillary and those who said she couldn't take the spot because the Republicans would use her words against Obama.  I wasn't aware that Biden has said McCain would make a good president--that's the one McCain should focus on, as just about everyone said Obama wasn't qualified.  I suspect if Michelle were to tell the truth, she probably thinks so too.  So there's no big news there! 

    And to say what I really think.  I'm glad Hillary was not chosen as I'm sure she would have accepted.  It would bother me to see a qualified woman taking second place to an unqualified male.  Apparently, it's still the way of the world, but I don't need any more reminders! 

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited August 2008

    Some of the Obama supporters are soooooo overbearing.  I do wonder whether the 3:00 AM text message was one last digg at Hillary...........

    I

  • anneshirley
    anneshirley Member Posts: 1,110
    edited August 2008

    I suspect it was, since it's so obvious.  I can't imagine why they would continue to dig, however.  Obama needs Hillary's voters to win, but again that overriding ego can't contain itself--'it is, therefore, it is.' 

    Just did some reading on Biden and wasn't aware that he, like  Bush, was also a C minus student, and like McCain graduated near the bottom of his class.  And also that he was caught plagarizing in Law School, with the excuse that he didn't understand the correct way to cite material.  That excuse is a real crock. Well before law school, students are taught how to cite material.  I gave a two-day class every semester, teaching my students how to avoid inadvertent plagarism; believe me, he knew.  It was intentional, particularly since he did it more than once.  I had lunch recently with some very very liberal friends who are still teaching at the college level and when I mentioned Biden's name as a possible president, they jumped on me as though I were a mass murderer, and it was because of his history of plagarism. 

    But that being said, most people don't care, and I still think Biden was Obama's best choice after Clinton.  I wonder, though, how he can be married to an English professor and still have plagarized.  English teachers hate that stuff!  Maybe she didn't know. 

  • Member_of_the_Club
    Member_of_the_Club Member Posts: 3,646
    edited August 2008

    Anneshirley, I used to particpate in this thread but when you say insulting things like you can't understand how anyone over an 8th grade education can support Obama and how his supporters are stuck in the American Idol phase, I don't see any reason to engage.  You will certainly never win anyone over that way.

     There have been so many errors that you have put out there in this thread, factual errors.  It probably doesn't matter that much since this is really a conversation with only two or three participants.  But when you start insulting people who disagree with you, well it makes me glad I'm not in your camp.

     I have friends who are conservative republicans and friends who supported Hilary.  We see the world differently, but so what?  I respect them, and i would never insult them for their views.  I try to understand where they are coming from.  And they don't insult me.  

    And for the record I have an advanced degree and have worked within national politics and so i am not whatever insult you have articulated -- and I support Obama. 

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited August 2008

    Biden's wife is his second wife; she wouldn't have known him back when he was in law school.  And whether she knew when she married him that he'd been caught plagarizing years before, who knows, but if she did, she probably thought it was something he'd outgrown and/or learned from.

    He married his first wife while in law school.  She and their young daughter were killed in a car crash in 1972.  His sons were seriously injured but recovered.  I've always had a bit of a soft spot for Biden because of what he's gone through; I find him to be a more sympathetic and more real character than most politicians. 

    Biden probably is the best choice that Obama could have made, other than Clinton.  I think he will help the ticket by adding some experience and seniority.  On the other hand, when you see Obama and Biden together, doesn't it seem like the roles should be reversed?   There doesn't seem to be much logic to electing the novice as President if it's thought necessary to have someone with experience hanging around in the background as VP, just to ensure that the young guy doesn't screw up (too much).

  • anneshirley
    anneshirley Member Posts: 1,110
    edited August 2008

    Beesie--Absolutely agree with your last paragraph.  The irony is beyond even Jane Austen!  With respect to plagarizing, I was speaking of the accusations in 1987, when he ran for president.  I'm not sure the time frame for his speech, parts of which he took whole cloth from Neil Kinnock, but I believe it was after he married his second wife.  I would assume that she vetted his speeches and would have caught it, but perhaps not. (I regret to say that I have friends who don't hesitate to fail students for plagarism, yet write their relatives class papers and their essays for undergraduate and graduate school.)  And yes, I too have (and had) a soft spot for Biden, even despite his plagarism and his gaffes, perhaps because he comes across as human and caring, and I am fairly sure I would have voted for him and not a third party if he had been the nominee.  But who knows?  I don't like his position on the death penalty and I certainly didn't like his vote for the Iraq war..

    Member--sorry if I insulted you, but surely you read the Obama4president thread (and I believe contribute) where anyone who doesn't support Obama is called a racist, comments which I believe are far worse than anything I have said or could say. But that's neither here nor there, as I can't compete with them nor do I want to.  I believe most of what I write, although I do have  a regretable tendency towards sarcasm, and no doubt the Eighth Grade level was over the top.  For that I apologize. Hopefully, you'll understand it as reflecting my deep disappointment that my candidate lost.

    With respect to American Idol,  I don't see a single item on Obama's resume that would qualify him to be president. And everyone that I know--and I don't exaggerate--planning to vote for Obama, many in my own family, speak of how cool he is and what great speeches he makes, yet when I ask what his positions are: on the death penalty; privacy; gay marriage, gun control, support of religion by the government, nuclear power, oil drilling, public funding (well, everyone does know about that one), not a single one has responded with facts.   And all my friends and most members of my family have advanced degrees--most have Ph.d's, and again, that's neither here nor there--just perhaps more disturbing that folks with advanced degrees don't know the positions of the candidate for whom they're voting, or perhaps they don't care.  They like his looks and his speeches (substitute songs), and if that doesn't echo American Idol, I don't know what does.  If I've written anything that is not factual, beyond my opinions (which are mine and are not presented as facts), please let me know.  I try always to stick to facts and I hope you or anyone else will bring me up short if I've been factually incorrect on any of Obama's positions, McCain's, Biden's, or Hillary's.  I have frequently responded to posters on all the threads who have misconstrued, negatively, Obama's positions. I try to be fair, even though I concede I don't think he is qualified to be our president. My biggest problem with Obama supporters is that the facts seem to be of secondary importance to their inner feelings.So many of them claim to be liberals, yet when Obama adopted very anti-liberal views not a word of criticism was heard.  That I find very distrubing.

    I don't have a camp, never have had one, and wouldn't want one.  I really don't care if people agree with me or disagree. I'm not a politician and I don't need constant attention or admiration to function. I vote for people who support my views of what is good for this country, and for me.  I occasionally vote for people who don't fully support my views but can bring about an important change in this country, such as Hillary for health care.  I don't think Obama will be any different from any other candidate who has run in the last twenty plus years, and I strongly doubt we'll have any changes in health care because of him.  Frankly, I don't think he gives a damn.  And I'm always more critical of those who are supposed to represent my views, when I find they've been faking it. 

    My plan is to start a new thread after the convention, which will represent both Nader and the Green Party's views.  I hope I can convince some of those who read that we desperately need a viable left-leaning Third Party in this country.  Will I be disillusioned again?.  Yes, I will, but I keep on trucking. 

  • Jaybird627
    Jaybird627 Member Posts: 2,144
    edited August 2008

    Anneshirley, I enjoy your posts (long as they may be!) because I agree with you most of the time.

    I don't post often because I'm just too busy to but do manage to read this site every other day or so. I have strong opinions but don't have the time to articulate them here.

    I have some friends in from Madison, WI, (neither are originally from there) and they say they (as well as most people they know) are voting for Obama. Mostly because they are Democrats and they don't like McCain - Obama seems the lesser of two evils to them.

    I refuse to vote for either candidate and don't hesitate to tell anyone who asks.

  • anneshirley
    anneshirley Member Posts: 1,110
    edited August 2008

    Thanks Jaybird.  A very long post seemed appropriate since I was writing about Biden.  Like you, I don't believe in the concept of the "lesser of two evils."  Because so many follow this rule, we never ever get what we want.  Third parties all the way!

  • anneshirley
    anneshirley Member Posts: 1,110
    edited August 2008

    For those of you who don't subscribe to the NY Times and want to know the candidates' positions beyond sound bites, here's a link to an interesting article in yestereday's Times concerning Obama's views on the economy.  It's too long for me to post, but it's worth reading.  It gives a little to each side, left and right.  I like his proposals on redistribution of taxes (80% of Americans will get tax breaks) although I don't believe he goes far enough.  He would increase taxes for those making $250,000; I would start at $125-$150,000. I'm less convinced by his proposals for stimulating the American economy.  Whistling in the dark, and I disagree with his ideas for getting health care to more Americans. His reasoning is completely off, but so is McCain's, so whichever one of them wins we'll be in the same place four years from now.  And that's a sorry thought!  However, I am happy (and surprised) to find that Obama has thought about this, and unlike McCain has some ideas beyond just lowering taxes for the rich.  Read the article; it's interesting.  

       http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/magazine/24Obamanomics-t.html?_r=1&ref=magazine&oref=slogin 

  • BethNY
    BethNY Member Posts: 2,710
    edited August 2008

    http://news.aol.com/elections/conventions/democrats/schedule

    I started to read the drama this morning, about Bill Clinton being LESS than thrilled about what they expect him to talk about VS. him wanting to clear up some things that Obama said about what he did during his presidency...

    All in all, this should be a pretty interesting convention.

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited August 2008

    I think I like Eddie again.

    From Michael Calderone at Politico

    ----------------------------------------------

    August 24, 2008
    Categories: MSNBC
    Rendell: Obama coverage was embarrassing

    Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell was supposed to give “closing remarks” during this afternoon’s Shorenstein Center-sponsored panel discussion with all three Sunday show moderators — NBC’s Tom Brokaw, ABC’s George Stephanopoulous and CBS’s Bob Schieffer — but instead, he opened up a can of worms about bias in 2008 election coverage

    "Ladies and gentleman, the coverage of Barack Obama was embarrassing," said Rendell, in the ballroom at Denver's Brown Palace Hotel. "It was embarrassing."

    Rendell, an ardent Hillary Rodham Clinton supporter during the primaries, now backs Obama in the general election. Brokaw and Rendell began debating campaign coverage, including the on-air comments by Lee Cowan, and when MSNBC came up, Rendell went after the cable network.

    “MSNBC was the official network of the Obama campaign," Rendell said, who called their coverage "absolutely embarrassing."

    Chris Matthews, Rendell said, "loses his impartiality when he talks about the Clintons.”

    At that point, PBS's Judy Woodruff, who was moderating the moderators event, said: "Why don’t we let Governor Rendell sit down."

    That was met with applause from the crowd of big-time media figures, which included Arianna Huffington, Gwen Ifill, Al Hunt, and Chuck Todd.

    Woodruff allowed Brokaw to respond, and in defending the network, he said that Matthews and Keith Olbermann are "not the only voices" on MSNBC.
     

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited August 2008

     Very good article about how Obama outsmarted Hillary especially part two and the caucus

    http://www.politico.com/relentless/

  • anneshirley
    anneshirley Member Posts: 1,110
    edited August 2008

    Thanks Susie--I too was happy to hear Rendell give it to the media, in particular the Obama network.  Since I posted my fair and balanced piece of the day, here's my unbalanced piece:

    I should rename this thread, "Women Rise Up!" Today I'm listening to the various cable news channels, particularly MSNBC discussing Obama's fall in the polls after naming Biden as his VP. (It's a dead heat right now: Gallup gives Obama 47% and McCain 47%.) The reason (and blame), of course, and always, is Hillary's. They all acknowledge that Obama didn't vet her for VP, although he said she was on his short list---oops, I believe he covered himself by saying "she would be on anyone's short list." Just not his! Remember Bill Clinton and the definition of "is."

    Is the fall in poll numbers viewed as Obama's fault? Absolutely not! It's Hillary's fault, of course. Each analyst on NBC puts the onus on Hillary to bring her voters into the fold. So, as always, it's up to the woman to make the sacrifice, to make things right. And none of them get it, or more likely acknowledge it (the elephant in the room), that it's never been about Hillary, beyond the fact that she's very qualified to be president; it's about a very qualified, experienced woman candidate getting dissed in favor of a very inexperienced male candidate. And since it's not about Hillary, Hillary can't heal the rift.

    It's interesting how everyone points out that the race of a candidate can throw polls off but neglect to point out that this may also be true with respect to gender, only in the reverse. The polls show that over 50% of Hillary's voters say they'll vote for Obama. I don't believe it's that high. Women, far more than men, tend to say what others want them to say. I suspect that many of those in the 50% who are women just don't want to hear, "Get over it!" and are lying to the pollsters when they say they'll vote for Obama. If I'm correct, I very much hope they'll vote Green.

    (As an aside, I love the irony of it all.  Obama, back when, said that his supporters wouldn't necessarily vote for Hillary but hers would vote for him (one of his reasons why he should be the Democratic nominee and not Hillary).  It annoyed me to no end when he said this--so so smug--so I suppose I can legitimately enjoy seeing it come back to haunt him.  You can be sure he's haunted by the latest polls!) 

    And speaking of the Green Party, it takes a 5% national vote for a party to get matching federal funds in the next presidential election. So if you're a disaffected Hillary voter and want to express your disaffection, consider voting Green rather than writing in Hillary's name, not voting, or even worse voting for McCain. If you vote Green, you'll be voting for a woman as president and a woman as vice president. 

  • BethNY
    BethNY Member Posts: 2,710
    edited August 2008

    Did you see the new Mccain ad with the woman who says she is a democrat and a Hillary supporter and for the first time in her life she will be voting for Mccain....

  • anneshirley
    anneshirley Member Posts: 1,110
    edited August 2008

    Beth--yes, I did see it, and I wish she had gone another way. There are lots of ways to protest what happened to Hillary (and women) without voting for a Republican.  One, of course, is writing in Hillary's name, which is what Jaybird intends to do, or to vote for a Third Party, what I intend to do.  I had to decide between Nader and the Green Party, but it's a no brainer since the Green Party has two women running this year.

    About Bill Clinton.  I heard today that Clinton is angry that he's speaking on national security night and not on the economy, which is his claim to fame.  And that alone is ironic, as during the primaries Obama had nothing particularly good to say about Bill Clinton, and in fact even praised Reagan as a way of denigrating Clinton--I can post the clip from an interview Obama gave in New Mexico if anyone wants me to verify the above.  Yet today Obama gave a speech which was mainly premised on how successful the Clinton years were for the economy. Does Obama ever say anything that's not poll-driven?  I have nothing good to say about McCain's positions but I do believe that some of the time he actually believes what he says--please note I did say, some of the time.    

    I'm not a fan of Bill Clinton's but he was successful in growing the economy! 

    I posted earlier that I thought the Obama camp was very foolish to focus on McCain's seven houses, that it would give the Republicans an opening to talk about Obama's association with Tony Resko's (sp?) and his questionable house deal.  And, of course, that's just what they're now doing.  The Texas Republican Party has just aired a very sleezy ad about Obama's half brother living in poverty in Africa--showing a picture of his brother's house.  It's an ugly ad but an inevitable one, and it also has the feel of Willy Horton about it.  If anyone thought the Democratic primary was negative I assume it's only because they weren't paying attention to previous presidential elections!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2008

    MOTC, before I go on reading..I've been offline since Saturday, you must realize that people on other threads insinuate negative views about us SUCH AS being racist and say we do not know it or won't admit it.  Why?  I don't know.  Is it because we don't support Obama?  I honestly do not see the man's color as far as his running for prez.  And I find that being called a racist is much worse than being called uneducated. 

    So, these tit-for-tats go back and forth.  We ALL are insulted by one side or another.  Ignore it.

    There is one thing I want to know...why are people voting for Obama?  Change?  Hope?  New face?  Speaking ability?  Community organizer?  What he did for his state as Senator? Against the war when he couldn't even vote one way or another?   A bill he introduced?  Just WHAT does HE stand for?

    I just want to know WHY? 

    Shirley

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2008

    Anneshirley, I swear I didn't read your response to MOTC.  I didn't plagarize.  BTW, when my dd was going to undergrad school a friend of her's copied some of my dd's work in their senior year.  My dd was not happy.  I don't need to explain why.

    BTW, I only finished high school.  I had four siblings.  Only two of us graduated.  My parents could care less about higher education.  Education was very important to me and dh.  My dds all graduated from undergrad and one went on to become an attorney.  But, may I say one thing here.  I'm not the smartest cookie, but common, ordinary sense helps a bit.

    With or without education we are all going to see things differently.  It depends on what we feel is important.  For Anne it's healthcare,  For some others it's gay marriage.  I'm a conservative, so I'm sure you can figure out where I stand in most my political views.  

    Shirley

  • anneshirley
    anneshirley Member Posts: 1,110
    edited August 2008

    Thanks for support, Shirley, but I did owe an apology for the "Eighth Grade" crack.  It wasn't nice and didn't help to move the conversation along.  As I've said before, I have no clue why people are voting for Obama.  I look at the candidate's resume, and have done so since the days when I fell in love with JFK, at 19, and was disillusioned.  I learned from that experience that it's actions that count, not charm, and it was LBJ, with very little surface charm, at least on TV, who moved civil rights to passage.  JFK was very reluctant to act on civil rights--what he did he did because of Bobby; in addition, he was responsible for sending advisers to Vietnam, and, of course, there was the Bay of Pigs.  We didn't know until after he died, that he was also guilty of "serial adultery," a term I've stolen from the Obama thread.  I generally don't count a man's sexual habits against him when choosing a president (it wasn't Monica that turned me against Clinton, but his stance on "don't ask, don't tell."), but I do find it amusing when Obama's supporters use McCain's sexual history against him and celebrate Teddy Kennedy's support of Obama and thrill when Obama is compared to JFK!   Actually, I think that comparison is unfair to Obama since he appears to be a good and faithful husband.

  • Odalys
    Odalys Member Posts: 2,103
    edited August 2008

    I think I will add these to my favorite quotes:

    "18 million cracks in the glass ceiling" 

     "Sisterhood of the traveling pantsuits"

    Way to go Hillary!

    .

  • anneshirley
    anneshirley Member Posts: 1,110
    edited August 2008

    Hillary was beyond good, particularly after that boring keynote speech.  She knocked it out of the park!  I loved the Harriet Tubman part and loved the way Hillary kept going even through the applause.  Now she not only has the experience that Obama is missing but she's also a better speaker; she combined soaring rhetoric with specifics, something Obama (or his speech writer) hasn't yet learned to do.  And how many times did she mention "universal" health care--three at least, and the last mention was the most telling, when she said she looked forward to the day when President Obama would sign a bill for "universal" health care.  Was that payback, do you think, for Obama's in your face 3:00 a.m. email announcing his VP choice. How did the Democrats let her go?  Fools!

    However, I have such great respect for Senator Clinton, so much more than when I began my search for a candidate, that I won't run this thread any longer in deference to her.  And also because Hillary doesn't have to rise again.  She's already there.   

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