John Edwards
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I didn/t watch the Edwards interview and probably don't want to, but if he brought McCain into the story, he really is a sleezy character. And that would be true if he brought Clinton in, or anyone else for that matter. It's his sin, not theirs.
I wonder why all the back and forth between women here? . This subject interests all of us because of our similar situation. Like Elizabeth Edwards we have breast cancer and unless you're super woman, breast cancer, whether in remission or not, makes us particularly vulnerable. For a husband to cheat after BC is worse; it just is. No doubt he was feeling vulnerable too, but there are ways to find comfort--talk to a friend, see a therapist, whatever. Just don't cheat on your wife.
I would also offer that in cultures where cheating is not taken as seriously as ours, it is, I assume, less painful to the wife when it happens. Or not! Whatever the case, Edwards had no business running for president with this in his background without revealing it to the public. He knew if it came out, it could derail the election. And I'm not too thrilled that EE went along with him.
But what decisions she makes on a personal level, whether to forgive or not, are her business, not ours. I like her a great deal but even if I didn't, I wouldn't presume to judge her.
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I see now how he said she was in remission ....... apparently the affair was in 2006.
Here's what he said now: "In the course of several campaigns," he said, "I started to believe that I was special and became increasingly egocentric and narcissistic. If you want to beat me up, feel free. You cannot beat me up more than I have already beaten up myself. I have been stripped bare."
And I think he is telling the truth!!!!!!! Well about the narcissistic thinking anyway!
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Elizabeth was in remission or NED when he had the affair, but that's beside the point, as far as I'm concerned. Her breast cancer matters not to me as far as the cheating. Yes breast cancer makes some of us more vulnerable, but so do other things like depression, substance abuse, losing a child and other of life's difficulties.
i think the more socially progressive European cultures have the right idea and that when the US gets caught up with personal sexual matters. I care about how our country is perceived in the world, because we are citizens of the world and when we get caught up in this kind of crap it diminishes our country. I think a lot of people project their own issues and assume how they would act or how the parties involved must be feeling and we just don't know nor is it our business.
I agree with you, AS, about what this could have done to the presidential campaign and the country. John would have brought a lot to this country as president, VP or attorney general and I hope this isn't the end of his political future.
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Why is this front page news? The pot calling the kettle black, plain ole 2 faced hypocrisy, speaking out of both sides of his mouth ..
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In 1999, when Edwards was a senator, he said of President Clinton and his affair with Monica Lewinsky:
"I think this president has shown a remarkable disrespect for his office, for the moral dimensions of leadership, for his friends, for his wife, for his precious daughter. It is breathtaking to me the level to which that disrespect has risen."
In 2006, Edwards' political action committee paid $100,000 in a four-month span to a newly formed firm run by Hunter, who directed the production of four Web videos showing Edwards in supposedly candid moments as well as in a public speech talking about morality.
The payments from Edwards' One America Committee to Midline Groove Productions LLC started on July 5, 2006, five days after Hunter incorporated the firm in Delaware.
Midline provided "Website/Internet services," according to reports that Edwards' PAC filed with the Federal Election Commission.
Midline's work product consists of four YouTube videos showing Edwards in informal settings as he prepares to make speeches in Storm Lake, Iowa, and Pittsburgh, as he prepares for an appearance on "The Daily Show With Jon Stewart" and travels in Uganda in 2006.
Edwards' PAC followed the six-figure payment with two smaller payments totaling $14,461, the last on April 1, 2007. "
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My heart goes out to Elizabeth......so sad.
Love,
Terry
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I would not make excuses for this wimp of a man (if you can even call him that) and yes this IS news because it goes to his character. What kind of man professes to be a family man and a man of God and does this to his family, especially when his wife is facing breast cancer. I don't care if he says she was in remission. The affair supposedly happened in 2006 which would have been only approx a year after she completed treatment. He claims he told her in 2006 which would have been right before she was diagnosed with mets. How insensitive and cruel. The guy is a PIG. Sometimes I think Elizabeth Edwards cares as much about her husband's political as he does. She should have given him the boot two years ago.
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Wow! I tivoed the ABC Nightline special and just got through watching it. I am not sure what to think. He sure is slick though. In hearing all the things on the news, I really wanted his balls on a silver platter, but perhaps I jumped to a few conclusions. I was sure he was the guy in the hotel room holding the baby, but then, this was a picture from the National Enquirer! Now I think that was a fake picture. Still, I am not sure why he actually went to see Rielle in California. Plus, there is the matter of Rielle receiving those monthly $15,000 checks from Fred Baron who just happens to be a prominent trial lawyer from Texas AND Edward's campaign manager. He openly admits to sending these checks without John's knowledgel. Wow! In the end, I will NEVER forgive Edwards for the pain he has caused his wife, but this really is a private family matter. Edwards is not in public service at this time, and from the looks of things, he might never be again. That would probably be the most appropriate punishment for this guy. I think the lack of a limelight might kill him.
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Yeah, he's slick alright.
Now Hunt's family is urging him to get the paternity test. I don't care one thing about the female (don't even want to call her a woman..she was star struck) he had the affair with. It's a shame a baby has to be involved in this.
As far as the picture I wonder how they even got it. He says that's not what he was wearing. Was this a picture from another visit. After all, the baby is 6 months old now.
One of the bloggers said that they wondered if SHE called the enquirer to let them know he was coming to the Hotel. That could very well be. He said he admitted going over there because "she was having trouble." What trouble? That she was unhappy that she wasn't with him? She also makes me want to puke. I've seen some video where she was talking about him and she made me want to puke. She's no better than him. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Shirley
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Either ABC made some edits or Edwards may still be hiding some of the truth. Hot Air reports that Huffington Post (of all places) is reporting
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Edwards and Hunter meet in early 2006; according to e-mails obtained by HuffPo, Hunter is cooing as early as April about a married man she visited in North Carolina; the first check from the campaign to Hunter’s, ahem, film company then goes out on July 5. Here’s how Edwards remembered it:
WOODRUFF: When you hired Ms. Hunter, that was back in 2006, the committee hired in July 2006, paid her $114,000 to make films for you. She did have a lot of experience. Uh was the affair going on when you hired her?
EDWARDS: No. No. And again, I always said this to you, I don’t think I’m going to go through the details of this, I already did it with Elizabeth– uh, she was hired to come in and produce films and that’s the reason she was hired.
WOODRUFF: But this had nothing to do with the fact that you were having an affair with her?
EDWARDS: Same answer. Same answer — no I did not.
WOODRUFF: So you hired her before it even started?
EDWARDS: That is correct.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What I find astonishing is that taken to its conclusion this man could have become president and the country could have been subject to blackmail from who knows where.
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I guess I'm one of those immoral type people because I figure this is the Edwards' business and I don't really find it particularly interesting. It is not beyond the pale - what are the stats? About 50% for both men and women? I do find it interesting that people get so exercised by it, and so astonished when it is uncovered. Some of the best presidents the US has had have had a fling or two. I don't think Democratic zippers are any looser or tighter than Republican ones.
I liked Edwards, but because I liked his approach to some of the problems that are facing the US, not because he was pretty or because he espoused "family values". I think it is crummy to question the choices Elizabeth has made. She is the one in the marriage.
Trudeau is remembered for, among other things, saying that government has no business in the bedrooms of the nation. That's probably misquoted - but it's close. Maybe the reverse is true, maybe the nation has no business in the bedrooms of those who govern. I'm assuming consenting adults of course.
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Susie, I read ABC's transcript. They did edit portions of it. There was no reference to Edwards' remark about McCain. I taped the interview because I couldn't watch it at the time. I'll go back in the comfort of my den and see exactly what he said. It's probably on YouTube.
Yep, I bet Edwards is squirming. The Enquirer remarked today that he was not being completely honest. And, sad to say, the Enquirer is out to make money so they pay for any info they think they have veriffied. Whether or not we like the Enquirer (I don't buy their stuff) they will produce any side on any politician..makes good money.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5441195&page=1
Edwards' 2008 national finance chairman Fred Baron said late Friday that he had provided "assistance" to Hunter and others without Edwards' knowledge.
In a statement emailed to ABC News, Baron said that he "decided independently to help two friends and former colleagues rebuild their lives when harassment by supermarket tabloids made it impossible for them to move forward on their own." "I did this of my own volition without the instruction or suggestion of anyone, and made a conscious decision not to tell anyone, including John Edwards, that assistance was provided. The assistance was offered and accepted without condition. This is now and shall always remain a private matter between these individuals and me."
Why in the world would these people need to live in a multi-mil dollar house and be paid $15,000 a month for because the tabloids "mde it impossible for them to move forward on their own"? Give us a freaking break. Were they living like this before all the gossip started? Otherwise, were they accustomed to this lifestyle. I'll bet the answer is NO. It was a bribe..hush money.
And from the same link explaining why he went to see her at the Hotel in July:
Edwards told ABC News that he met secretly with former lover Rielle Hunter as recently as last month in a California hotel room at her request because "she was having some trouble, she just wanted to talk."
"I wanted her not to tell the public what had happened," he said at another point. "Very simple. That's the reason I went."
I think that person was right. She probably ratted him out to the Enquirer. And I bet they paid her well. And below is about the paternity test..I think this is funny since her sister has called on him to take the test. Seems like he was going to try to do something, perhaps, to get her to not agree to take the test. I'm very cynical. Can you tell?
WOODRUFF: I need to ask about probably the most controversial allegation. Which is that a report has been published that the baby of Ms. Hunter is your baby. True?
EDWARDS: Not true. Published in a supermarket tabloid. That is absolutely not true.
WOODRUFF: Have you taken a paternity test?
EDWARDS: I have not, I would welcome participating in a paternity test. Be happy to participate in one. I know that it's not possible that this child could be mine because of the timing of events, so I know it's not possible. Happy to take a paternity test, and would love to see it happen.
WOODRUFF: Are you going to do that soon?
EDWARDS: I'm only one side -- I'm only one side of the test, but I'm happy to participate in one.
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Now being reported on breaking cable news: Hunter (the mother) is refusing any paternity test---She wants to keep the matter private---(there is no name of father on the birth certificate)
Here is an update from Hotair:
Update: No wonder he’s willing to take a paternity test. She isn’t:
Rielle Hunter, the former presidential campaign aide who had an affair with John Edwards, said yesterday that she will not pursue DNA testing to establish the paternity of her 5-month-old daughter, despite the former senator’s offer to participate in such a test.
In a statement provided to The Washington Post, Hunter said through her attorney that she would not take a genetic test “now or in the future.”
The attorney, Robert Gordon, called Hunter a “private” person who is “not running for public office” and would not comment further on the media frenzy engulfing her.
“She wishes to maintain her privacy and her daughter’s privacy,” he said in the statement. “Furthermore, Rielle will not participate in DNA testing or any other invasion of her or her daughter’s privacy now or in the future.”
How suspicious is this? Well, when Woodruff pressed him on the paternity test yesterday, Edwards said he’d be happy to take one — but then volunteered, strangely, “I’m only one side — I’m only one side of the test, but I’m happy to participate in one.” That actually piqued Woodruff’s curiosity enough to ask him whether Hunter said she doesn’t want to do a test (Edwards claimed he didn’t know). And now, a mere 24 hours later, as luck would have it she doesn’t want to do a test after all, leaving Silky blissfully off the hook. New exit question: How much did Hunter’s willing embrace of ignorance as to the paternity of her child cost Fred “The Best Friend Anyone’s Ever Had” Baron? -
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Thanks for the link Shirley. Again I say, WOW!! This story just gets better and better!! Of course Edwards is saying he'll be glad to take the paternity test. He made damn sure that Rielle wouldn't!! No wonder he was so smug about it during the interview. All I can say is he has totally blown my trust and I will NEVER EVER support him again. Still, I think his political career is over. My son said it would be great if he did go to the Democratic Convention but..........in order to enter, he would have to go past a very large group of Hillary supporters on both sides of the aisle. He he he ......I would gladly go and help "greet" him!!!
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A Newsweek journalist wrote the article that can be viewed at this link:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/151783
I am somewhat disgusted with myself that I supported John Edwards until he dropped out in January. How could I not have seen through him. I thought the fuss about his $400 haircut was a bit unfair yet now the more that comes out about his affair, the more obvious it becomes that he has a large but weak ego. I am rather amazed that he could have such poor judgement to have been attracted to this woman, and to have trusted her with his political life and the happiness of his family.
I have a lovely husband, so I can't really say "Men!" but so many of them really are jerks.
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Any bets that the child is his and they (he & the mistress) have agreed to "disagree" in public about this paternity test? She's being well paid and will continue to be for a very long time. Perhaps the hotel meetings (yes plural, according to the Nat'l Enq) were arranged to discuss these arrangements before he went public with a half admission. Just my thoughts.
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Anneshirley...WE AGREE on something! LOL! I kinda' liked him too but I did think he was "too purty" as Shirley put it. Ego...wow! Knowing so many fell before him how could he even think he could get away with it? Another one bites the dust!
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This is my third post on this topic--I guess I am officially "obsessed!" I DO think he and Rielle have agreed to "disagree" regarding the paternity test!!! He really is slick. When I was watching Nightline, I got totally sucked into his "poor me" stuff. He is a consumate politician!!! I feel so sorry for his wife--it must be tough being married to such a good-looking, smooth-talking man. It must take tremendous willpower to resist his charms, don't you think? I agree Anne Shirley that some men are such jerks, but I too, am married to the most wonderful guy in the world and so I too, know there are some wonderful guys out there!Anne
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When something like this happens, the trust is gone. Without that even with love, its not enough
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If this lady is seriously in love and wants to be married to him then I would bet she was the one that outed him. What better way to get his wife to dump him. I guess I just picked the wrong people to date, I never one had anyone offer me 15,000 per month to live on. Must be nice to get money like that and not have to work for it.
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LuAnne--I don't think she leaked it. She sounds delusional enough to think she is being a martyr for love--that she had this private piece of him and their private little corner of the world. Stolen moments. ---Delusional-----
AnneShirley--Also wonder, from the Newsweek article you posted if that low-life Edwards fed her views on Elizabeth or whether she just had to justify the unjustifiable..................
"The chief villain in this saga was Elizabeth Edwards. "Someday," Rielle said, "the truth about her is going to come out."
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A literary character........Boy this stuff is now flying out of the woodwork............Too weird!
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/08/edwards-mistres.html
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What a POS. While I feel horrible for Elizabeth Edwards, I am so thankful that the whole world now knows the truth about this guy. He's been screwing NC for years but it took screwing a whore to ruin his political career. Good riddance and I hope that the stress from his actions (NOT the tabloids...geez, what IS it with these wives sticking by their loser husbands?!) don't hurt Elizabeth's health. I am sure if she dies, he will sue every media outlet out there, blaming them. Oh and in this case, I can totally understand why she wouldn't want to divorce and be on her own but it still sucks that she doesn't kick him in the nuts on live tv.
Erica
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I have been so saddened by all this. Edwards was my pick from the git go, and I was so happy to see him hanging in there...I stumbled a bit with the $400 haircut issue--that, from someone trying to represent the working class??? Up until this affair issue, I'd hoped that he would be Obama's VP pick.
I'm not sure I really give a hoot about his having an affair. But, to deny/lie about it when the rumors first started flying...can't get beyond that. Had he admitted to something when first asked, I would still have faith in him, but his initial blatant denial leaves a sour taste. And why on earth would he presume that someone so much in the public eye could get away with it and no one would ever know??? Makes me shake my head...so sad...
Read/TV? somewhere that he picked that particular night/time for his Nightline interview because he hoped that most of the world's focus would be tuned to the opening ceremony for the Olympics. ????? who knows...
I think that I (and probably all of us) am most upset because of EE's bc fight. Whether she posts or reads here doesn't matter--she is a sister and part of our community and, what hurts her hurts all of us...
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When I first saw the picture of Rielle, I felt an attraction. Now that she says she is unwilling to take a paternity test, YET she didn't list a father on the birth certificate, I think she's being unfair to her child. No matter what did or didn't go on, that little girl deserves to know who her biological father is and to have him named on her birth certificate. That's game playing with her daughter's life. I wonder if she envisions herself as a woman scorned....
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"When I first saw the picture of Rielle, I felt an attraction." ?
Amy, I don't understand what you meant by that statement. Just curious.
Okay, since the "other" woman is refusing to take the paternity test I have no doubt in my mind that is why Edwards said he would take one. He knew what she was going to say.
I also heard last night on Geraldo from his brother, Greg who was standing in front of the gated community where she and her supposed father of the child and his family lives, that she left the community when she found out that Edwards was having the interview with Nightline. I think it's absolutely hysterical that this is the lousiest cover up ever! The "other woman" is living with the father and his wife and children in the same mansion and both of them are recieving $15,000 a month that Edwards knows NOTHING about..oh, yes, he's heard about it from reporters. I wonder what she got for leaving and for not allowing a paternity test. The woman is nuts! Fatal attraction? She is obviously a very disturbed person.
I don't understand the reporter from Newsweek. It seems he would have dug deeper to find out if Edwards was really cheating on his wife after he witnessed what was going on. And anyone with any brain could have put two and two together and come up with four = Edward's cheating. If it had been a republican they'd been all over this story. JMO!
I'm really being cynical now. I'm sure I'll be raked over the coal. However, I'm wondering just how much EE really knew before Edwards had that interview with ABC. Edwards said that EE KNOWS that the baby isn't his. Of course we know why he said that. Because, according to him, EE believes he stopped seeing her and it couldn't be his child. And, for that reason....GUESS WHAT! Edwards has no claim on this child and cannot go to court and MAKE her have a DNA. How convenient!
Okay, so he's going to be one those "dead beat dads" he's talked about. I have to agree with Amy on this one. The child has the right to know who her real father is. We all know how too often this kind of thing can screw with children's minds. And the "mother" is an idiot! I think she'll take money over her child's welfare.
Those nasty grocery store tabloids. Let's blame it on them.
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Ok, I swore to myself I would stay out of this speculation but this mornings reading has me thinking. I was thinking the mistress leaked the story, now I am wondering if EE wants him out and what easier way to do it. Leak his little liason and a few other tidbits. He becomes scum of the earth, no one would blame her for tossing him out on his behind and she goes on with her life and drops that stress! How is that for a theory?
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LuAnn--
That makes some sense to me. Greater wrath has none maybe? On either side? Pure speculation, but I would think EE probably detached from JE emotionally way back when she first found out about the affair, went on to "bigger fish to fry" fighting BC, and is now staying in the marriage for the benefit of her young children, and maybe for her own convenience at this point. I do not judge that if that is her choice, and I must say that I can actually understand that.
None of knows what we would do in that situation until we walk in the same shoes. Easy to say I would throw the bum out but when there are so many other things going on (her BC battle, very young children, etc.) who knows what I would do in that situation.
Side Note: My brother found out his wife was having an affair and refused to divorce and, stayed with her and told her he would make her suffer everyday for the rest of her life because of it. Yup, that is just what he has done, (over 20 years) and they are in a strange S and M relationship that seems to work for both of them--he is enjoying punishing her, and she is enjoying being punished. They are both getting something out of this or one or the other would leave.
Who knows what goes on in long term marriages but the partners themselves.
While I do not judge EE and only wish her and her children the best in getting through this, I do think JE is a POS.
And this krappe about him not being in love with the other woman makes him even more of a coward in my opinion.
Just my $.02 worth.
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LuAnn, I too said no more posting on this subject....but....
found this link to JE's legal cases and it states "he obtained verdicts & settlements for his clients totaling over $175 million dollars." That's an estimated 52.5 million that he pocketed. Certainly it's not against the law to make money, but his wealth is a big part of this story and for sure no one involved has to worry where their next meal is coming from.
http://news.findlaw.com/newsmakers/john.edwards.html
Another thought...wonder if the Nat'l Enq. has in its possession the DNA of JE, the mistress & the baby? How difficult would it have been for a reporter to enter both rooms after the folks left and collected either a water bottle, cup, or something left in the trash?
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I think she's hot shirley-- at least in the picture with her hair pulled back-- from an aesthetic, not personality perspective. She's cute as can be in that picture but that's where the attraction ends. Denying a paternity test and not naming a father is self serving and narcissistic and not in the best interest of her baby and that's as unattractive to me as anything.
I think EE has too much class to leak this dirt to the tabloids. She's a strong woman and doesn't need a media spectacle to leave her husband. there is nothing that leads me to believe she would do that to her children. She just doesn't seem to be passive aggressive to me.
Since there is a man claiming paternity, I'm not so cynical as to say the reason she won't do a test is to protect or not allow John off the hook. What a better way to screw with him if she is the woman scorned than to not allow him to prove his innocence.
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