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  • sherry38
    sherry38 Member Posts: 37
    edited July 2008

    Thank you : )  After the UTI all I can say is drink Plenty!  I didn't have a lot of trouble the first time around, but I have been told it gets worse with each TX.  Are you also on an every 2 week schedule or are yours spaced further apart?  I was amazed to see how similar our diagnosis was.  The only difference is the node - but, all they took from me were my sentinel & axilla.

    I am feeling 100% back to normal today and I am 10 days into it now - I have felt normal for 2 days now.  Even got out to see the Dark Knight yesterday : )

    Good luck with your 1st treatment, let me know how you do - I think days 3-5 were my worst and I had felt really tired and shooting pains in my body.

  • jeriss
    jeriss Member Posts: 15
    edited July 2008

    Hi Sherry,

    Thanks for your post! This is my week coming up for my first treatment. I am aware of what I might expect thanks to you, and others on this post. I do a lot of weight training and exercise so hopefully that will be a positive, but who knows. I am scheduled for every two weeks, I am so happy to hear that you are as well and you can handle it... stay strong!

    How was the Dark Knight? I haven't seen it yet, I hear its so good that ots hard to get a seat.

    I will definitely keep you up to date on my treatments, please do the same.

    Jeris

  • sherry38
    sherry38 Member Posts: 37
    edited July 2008

    Th Dark Knight was pretty good - I'm not really a huge fan of those types of movies, but this one was one of the betters.  I always liked Heath Ledger, so that is the only reason I agreed to go with my hubby, lol.

    I still have my hair (what I didn't get cut off already).  I kind of enjoy the ease of caring for short hair - I blow dry it up-side down and leave it : )  When it was long it took forever to dry...

    I am noticing a few pieces coming out if I run my fingers through it though,  I am kind of prepared to lose it - I bought some hats and 2 cheap wigs.  I only actually like 1 of the wigs I got - and it just doesn't look natural. 

    Sherry

  • gm2kieri
    gm2kieri Member Posts: 8
    edited July 2008

    Ask your onc for a prescription for a numbing cream to put over your port two hours before you get your treatment.  The first time I got "stuck" in my port it really hurt so I got a prescription for Lidocaine and Prilocaine cream and put it over my port and cover it with Glad Press'n Seal and don't feel a thing!  I do this the day before my chemo because I get blood drawn that day and the nurse just leaves the needle in for the next day and tapes over everything so it stays in place.

  • jeriss
    jeriss Member Posts: 15
    edited July 2008

    Ellie,

    Thanks for the tip! I am a little concerned about my port arm, its still purple and a little sore. I'll call my onc tomorrow and request the meds.

    Jeris

  • jdmelo
    jdmelo Member Posts: 3
    edited July 2008

    Hi, 

    Just wondering about that trial drug.  Do you already know that you are taking it and not the placebo?  Im not sure how that works. Please reply.

    Diane

  • Roya
    Roya Member Posts: 346
    edited July 2008

    Hi All,

    I had a left lumpectomy 6/20/08 and was 5 nodes neg, clean margins, grade 3 stage 2 triple neg. My port will be placed 8/5 & I will begin A/C 8/8.

    Thanks to this site, I am learning what to expect.  My onc also explained things well but I was too overwhelmed to hear much of what she said. Last night I shared as much as I could with my kids, ages 4, 14, & 17 regarding hair loss, weight,  and other things to expect.

    I am going shopping this weekend......going to buy some fun wigs in different colors.  I sure dread losing my hair......Cry

  • dah0123
    dah0123 Member Posts: 115
    edited July 2008

    Hello all,

    I just joined this site because I am thinking of having my saline implants replaced w/silicone or having TRAM and/or DIEP surgery.  Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that I was triple negative when diagnosed at 34 and I have been cancer free for 13 years (so far)!

  • FloridaLady
    FloridaLady Member Posts: 2,155
    edited July 2008

    Welcome Roya

    You go girl...full speed ahead. You got a early dx thankfully.  Faster you get started the faster you get back to "life".  Let us ladies know if we can be of any help. 

    Have fun shopping for wigs and hats.  I found some beautiful wigs. I wanted a different one for whatever mood I was in.  Just to expensive! 

    Flalady

  • dah0123
    dah0123 Member Posts: 115
    edited July 2008

    OK, it's been a while for me . . . what are NEDS?

    Thanks!

  • fladybug
    fladybug Member Posts: 4
    edited July 2008

    Hello Sisters!

    I'm fairly new to the site and wanted to share.  I was diagnosed with Stage IV, triple negtive in Sept. 07. Was approved for a study, took Taxol, Gemzar & Avastin for 7 months.  Side effects were difficult at times, ended up hospitalized with acute kidney failure and hypertension.  I have since begun taking Xeloda which seems a little more friendly. I asked the doctor last week if I would be on chemo the rest of my life.  He said yes.  Alrighty then.  There are no plans for surgery or radiation.  Right now, I FEEL GREAT.  My hair is growing back (was I THAT gray?) and I'm perfectly happy with it.  I feel like a new person and I really BELIEVE that it was all of the support I received from everyone.  I have wonderful friends and people I just happen to talk to through work will ask if they can pray with me.  YES YES YES.  I don't attend church, but I listen to Joel Osteen every Sunday and have grown much closer to God through his testimonies. One night I wondered how I was going to die and I had a vision.  I knew then that I would not be going alone.  HE was going to be at my side the entire journey.  I am happy for each day, for the beautiful clouds in the sky and for everyone I meet.   We are responsible for our own happiness.  We don't know when we will "go" or how we will go.  I'm not sweating it. I'm ready when He is and am thankful for everything in my life.  I have had some very difficult side effects that really got me down.  I would complain and then be thankful that I could overcome it. We all have bumpy roads to different extremes.  To those of you who are troubled and scared, please know that your "sisters" are supporting you 110%.  You are not alone and we will hold you up!  Blessings to all of you.

  • FloridaLady
    FloridaLady Member Posts: 2,155
    edited July 2008

    fladybug,

    What a great testimony! When times are hard I know who is really in control.  I have been blessed with a lot peace pretty much through out my oooon going treatment.  I see this peace in your words. I'm glad you joined us.  I'm doing Gemzar, Avastin and Xeloda.  I know we have to watch out for that Avastin.  This drug hard on the kidneys.  This is my 2nd time using it, but I only used it four months last time.  I glad you are doing better with Xeloda. 

    God bless,

    Flalady

  • TenderIsOurMight
    TenderIsOurMight Member Posts: 4,493
    edited August 2008

    Flalady,
     
    Your caring for others with breast cancer, and knowledge of triple negative shines through on this site. I just wish to let you know you're in my daily prayers. I hope you are tolerating treatment, and that your neuropathy symptoms are lessening. Your never far from my thoughts, 
     
    A big ((hug)) to you,
    Tender 
  • FloridaLady
    FloridaLady Member Posts: 2,155
    edited August 2008

    Thanks Tender,

    Believe or not I still feel great!  I  had tx #4 last week.(Gemzar/Avastin & Carbo)  Blood is holding up great! No shots! I made a mistake by taking a trip to Miami next day after tx with my sister.  This is about a five hour drive from me...I have never been to Miami and thought that was pretty sad for a native Floridian.  I felt fine on the trip...but got home and the neuropathy, let me know it was not happy about setting that many hours.  Had a massage last night along with daily use of micro-current.  And I think I'm back in the game. Still working full time! I have had a little pain in my chest wall.  I think it's the Gemzar/Avastin settling into my skin. The doc said this is a good thing. Both of these drugs work for IBC because of this characteristic. I have found this is also why I should not do lymph massage in this area...it could move out the chemo in my skin.

    I hope all is well with you and yours.

    Still living in hope,

    Flalady

  • Sher
    Sher Member Posts: 540
    edited August 2008

    Hi Everyone,

    I'm new here and think my case is a bit unusual.........at least I haven't found any others on this site with a diagnosis like mine and have googled endlessly, but still can't find much information. 

    In 2000 I was diagnosed with IDC (found with routine mammo), 8mm, 0/14 nodes, ER/PR+, HER2- and was treated with lumpectomy, radiation and 5 years on Tamoxifen.   

    In April, again by routine mammo, a suspicious something was found and was followed by lumpectomy.  This was a  9mm recurrent BC tumor, (same location as original) but had managed to somehow escape the previous treatment and mutate (or adapt to previous treatment) and is now ER/PR- which makes me a TN. 

    I've since had bilateral masts with NED in any of the removed tissus.  Also had CT and PET scans which are NED as well.  (Well, CT showed 2 nodes near my esophagus that were a little enlarged, but Pulmonary doctor said this was likely due to very bad upper respiratory infection that I'd had previously and that he didn't feel biopsy was needed - just to watch them).

    Oncologist had recommeded 4 cycles TC even before my masts and I will see her for another visit next week.  Not sure if her recommendation will change any.  I still haven't decided on chemo - whether to or not to and am still gathering information.  I'm soon to be 60 years and according to Adjuvant Online there was only a 6% increase in being cancer free in 10 years after chemo, which doesn't seem like much to me, especially with all the SE's that come with chemo.   I understand that if there are mets, chemo would be necessary, but now?

  • NarberthMom
    NarberthMom Member Posts: 615
    edited August 2008

    Sher -

    Sorry you have to join us, but welcome.  Congrats on clean CT and PET scans!  However, the bi-lateral mastecomy doesn't affect the decision about whether to do chemo. Chemo is a systemic ( as opposed to localized) treatment; in other words, chemo is for cancer that might be lurking elsewhere in your body but is too small to be detected.

    If you are in good health, chemo is do-able and the side effects are manageable.  I did dose dense AC/T, but I think that the TC regimen is easier.  If you are in doubt, you can always get a second opinion.  IMO, a 6% increase in being cancer-free is worth it!

    Hugs,

    Hillary 

  • bunnyrabbit
    bunnyrabbit Member Posts: 22
    edited August 2008

    Just got the word no receptors or her2 from the path.  When on this site  I figure out I am triple negative called my surgeon and he said yes you are.( already sch for part mastectomy and node bx) Having surgery on the 12th dianogsed on the 1st.

    What can you all tell me about this beast! 

  • Roya
    Roya Member Posts: 346
    edited August 2008

    Thank you for sharing Fladybug.  That was a very moving and much appreciated testimony. 

    Welcome Sher and bunnyrabbit.  Bunnyrabbit, you will learn a lot about the 'beast' here. Also, here you will find lots of love, sharing, and genuine caring!  As for decisions on whether to do chemo, my doc said told me that triple neg cancer is very aggressive and should be treated as such.  Nothing should be left to chance. Even though they got all of my tumor and there were 0/5 sentinal nodes, clean margins etc, she recommended chemo.  She said that if there is even one microscopic bit of cancer in my system that it could cause a recurrence down the line. That is why I decided to take this path.  I had my first treatment last Friday and I must admit, the nausea is very uncomfortable and I dread the coming hair loss!Cry But I feel that this is only a temporary and small price to pay.  Life is a gift.  Life is precious.

  • sherry38
    sherry38 Member Posts: 37
    edited August 2008

    I've asked this on a different place on the board, but I am going to do so here too since all of you ladies are tri neg - like me. 

    I get the idea that they do chemo on all tri-negs.  I am also doing chemo I'm almost 5 days out of my 2nd tx. 

    What I am wondering is why do I we have to do radiation after we do chemo.  Is there any reason to believe that the chemo couldn't take care of the job?  Also, if I did forgo radiation am I right in believeing the only place I would get the recurrence would be the same breast as before?  Because really, if that's the case I would just rather keep a close eye on that breast and have a mastectomy (as I wanted to in the first place - shame on me for letting the doc talk me out of it) if it comes back.  I had clear - but close margins and 0 nodes.

    Too much time to 2nd guess everything....but I am soo fearful of the implications of having chemo and radiation.  What are these things going to cause me in the future?

  • FloridaLady
    FloridaLady Member Posts: 2,155
    edited August 2008

    Sherry,

    Radiation is a back up system for hopefully killing left over cells in this area. BC travel through blood, tissue and nodes.  Most doctor do not explain this.  That why you have the chemo even with clear margins. I kinda feel like you do about radiation... Well I have learned a lot about rads in three years.  Must triple negs... and I do mean most do not a have recurrence in the same breast...I would guess 97% don't. (Remember that standard treatment requires rads. Is this why this number is low?)  Some do have recurrence in other breast.  I one of the few that has had recurrence on the chest wall 7 different times and in my skin two different times.  I have had rads on the right chest wall and not on the left.  I would not let them do them on on left because the first recurrence was one week after completing rads.  Again I'm a rare case...I had skin mets at the time of my first mast. because my tumor continue to grow while on ACT chemo. A lot of ladies don't rads with early stage bc, because it can keep them from skin saving surgery for later recontruction.  The big thing I learn about rads is...if you do have a recurrence in the breast, the damage cells and tissue keeps the cancer from spreading.  The bc becomes wrap in a spider web of damaged tissues.  But this also keeps chemo from successfully being delivered into this area, because of the damage blood supply does not work, and this is how chemo is delivered.  So bottom line is d*** if you do and d*** if you don't.

    Hope this answers your question.

    Flalady

  • Sher
    Sher Member Posts: 540
    edited August 2008

    Flalady, I have a question about your last post.   In 2000, I had lumpectomy, radiation and 5 years tamoxifen for 8mm ER/PR+, HER2- tumor.  Recently I had a local recurrence (same spot), 9mm ER/PR-, HER2-, bilateral masts, currently NED.  Are you saying that because I had radiation in 2000, the recurrence I just had wouldn't have been able to spread from the breast due to damaged tissue? 

  • FloridaLady
    FloridaLady Member Posts: 2,155
    edited August 2008

    Sher,

    Yes...The head breast surgery for a top cancer center told me what it looks like.  (This was after having lymphnodes removed on my radiated shoulder area.)  I want to be clear...cancer still can spread from rads treated area, but at a much slower rate.  Hopeful in time to catch it from moving again. Remember that bc cells can break away and move in the blood also...but less liking the road of transportation.  If you only had a lumpectomy, this is great because you still can have a mast. with recurrence, but with ladies like me who had mast. no reconstruction.  This means my chest wall has bc.  I have been told by  three top centers...chest wall is very difficult area to treat with or without rads. It will just keep coming back...

    Also...the change in receptor status can mean your first treatment and hormone treatment kept it suppress for five years...after that the cells change their makeup to hide from original treatment and hormone tx.  My numerous doctors say I have more than one kind of TN bc.  They just do have have the research to know how to read my bc.  They know this because chemo will kill only certain areas of my bc and other area will not respond at all. I also have had three surgeries and the cancer actually looks different to the eye,

    Flalady

  • Sher
    Sher Member Posts: 540
    edited August 2008

    Thanks Flalady for your explanation and answer to my question.  I did have bilateral masts 7/21 for this local recurrence and am now trying to decide on chemo - whether to or not to.  Right now, just 3 weeks out from the surgery, I know I am not strong enough physically or emotionally to go through chemo.  Oncologist has recommended 4 cycles of TC, but having chemo only improves my being free of cancer in 10 years by 6%.  And so I make myself crazy trying to decide!  I have a real problem having chemo for micromets or small cells of cancer that MIGHT be there and am trying to learn what would be the differece in waiting.  I mean, if I waited and if mets showed up 3 months or 3 years down the road, I know I'd have to go through chemo then.  If I had chemo now being NED and mets showed up in the future, would the chemo have to be something different and/or stronger?  Decisions................decisions.................

  • FloridaLady
    FloridaLady Member Posts: 2,155
    edited August 2008

    Sher,

    I see where you are coming from...I don't know if I would do chemo either.  Mmmm...if your doctor is willing to watch you VERY closely I think I would wait also, my doctor told me there is no reason to do chemo, if the chemo does not have anything to grab onto.  Your right! You have a hard decision to make, but lucky this is a small one for a person with recurrence.  You are soooo lucky it was found early again.

    Flalady

  • Sher
    Sher Member Posts: 540
    edited August 2008

    Yes, Flalady, I totally agree and feel so thankful to have found this early again.  Thanks so much for your help trying to sort this all out!

  • Roya
    Roya Member Posts: 346
    edited August 2008

    Sher, these are very difficult and important decisions.  I thought that the chemo had nothing to hold onto either and maybe it doesn't......I don't know for sure.  I took the chemo journey just in case there was even one microscopic cancer cell left that was not detected.   I  just could not consider giving that teenie little cell a chance to grow, cause recurrence and give me more misery later on.  The docs can only make recommendations and the rest is up to us.  Chances and risk are not really statistically guaranteed, not really. Tri neg is very aggressive!  Each of our situations is so unique.

  • Sher
    Sher Member Posts: 540
    edited August 2008

    I saw my oncologist again today, and still haven't made up my mind.  She says the chemo, if given, would have to start withing 3 months of my masts.  Also I have a CT of the thorax that will need to be repeated in September because the CT in June showed 2 slightly enlarded nodes.  Pulmonary doctor said biopsy wasn't necessary at the time, not thinking this too abnormal and to just watch them, hence the repeat CT in Sept.  So, between now and then I think I'll check into a 2nd opinion on the pathology of the tumor and possibly 2nd optinion oncologist also. 

    If I was younger or if there was a larger decrease in the recurrence risk after having chemo, I'd definitely go for it.   And I couldn't agree with you more, Roya that chances and risk are not really statistically guaranteed.  8 years ago, I believe I was given a 93% chance/risk of cancer not returning/recurring and here I am in the 7% that did.  The recurrence, I found out today was the same exact spot, not just the same area.  So it survived after lumpectomy with very good clear margins, radiation and 5 years Tamoxifen.  Not only did it survive, but it learned to adapt (change hormone status) and find a way to continue.  

  • sherry38
    sherry38 Member Posts: 37
    edited August 2008

    Thanks Fl Lady : )  I am so torn with all these chances, I have to base my treatment on what someone thinks may happen...when no one really knows.

    I worry about recurrence - especially because I am doing the chemo and still considering the radiation.  I am worried that the statistics are all screwed up and really, do the Dr's know for sure that chemo and rads aren't what is causing all of the recurrences.  A person could drive themselves crazy trying to figure half of it out.

    On another note, does anyone know what to do when you start getting sores on your head because of the hair loss itch?

    I am going to take some benadryl tonight in case it is allergic reaction.  Maybe hives on my head?

    Thanks again for your input.  I am just trying to decide if I skip the radiation would my chances be better.....So much to think about!

  • BCbGone
    BCbGone Member Posts: 11
    edited August 2008

    Hi Fellow Triple Negs!

    I am scheduled for bilateral mastectomies on August 28th.  Not sure what after that as I have not met with an oncologist but Chemo is a safe bet.  Because I am getting bilat mastec does that mean radiation is not necessary?  Radiation would only be warranted if I were doing a lumpectomy - right?  Had the genetic test done last week but will be shocked if I am not BRCA1 positive.  Also - how soon after bilat mastec does the chemo usually start?  Thanks for your wisdom!

    ~BcbGone {{Linda}}  

  • janinvan
    janinvan Member Posts: 83
    edited August 2008

    I'm experiencing a recurrence from 12 years ago  (NOW they say I'm triple negative)....then it was categorized as  estrogen negative.  It's very worrisome that there hasn't been  medications (pills)/injections developed as there has been for the estrogen positive/herceptin positive categories.....WHY ?? Are we 15% of the population?

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