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  • Vinogal
    Vinogal Member Posts: 439
    edited August 2008

    Bonnie......I am having a terrible time these past few days with my eyes.......has been the worst SE so far for me...........my eyes are so sore from the runniness........called the onc.........he suggested trying a natural tears type product......kinda to flush it out..........bought 2 different kinds but neither seems to work........tried googling for a solution......only thing I could come up with was warm compresses......tried them last night......it sure did feel soothing........but still very runny today.........are you on AC?

    Went to a car show with the Dh this weekend.......was a nice time.........but very hard to enjoy with eye problems.......seems that not only are they runny and irritated.......they are also super sensitive to the sun........anyone else?

    Cheers

    Jax

  • Kellke
    Kellke Member Posts: 424
    edited August 2008

    So last week I finally experienced the delay factor:  I have had a chronic cough and although my chest x rays were clear previously my onc said we needed a CT scan to be sure there was no lung involvement.  So went for a CT scan and new MUGA and got my results of the CT scan yesterday.  I am happy to report no evidence of disease, not in my chest or neck.  I convinced the onc if we were looking for lung involvement we might as well check the neck since the nodes there are what pushed me into the Stage 4.  I hate being stage 4 so I am just thrilled to be told NED there.  So tomorrow morning I go for number 4 AC.  Then after two weeks I will switch to weekly taxols.  Any advice?    Kelly

  • hunkydory
    hunkydory Member Posts: 1,241
    edited August 2008

    Congrats Kellke!  Sounds like good news.  Stay on your plan of course.   Glad your scan and xrays were clear.  HunkyD

  • Bonnie02
    Bonnie02 Member Posts: 193
    edited August 2008

    Hi Jax,

    Istarted on AC but due to heart conditions could not have it and they switched to TC. I also had a real bad time with eyes running, looked like I was crying all the time. I tried everything including the eyedrops natural tears, it was a little soothing but really nothing helped. Don't rub your eyes to much only makes it worse I just dab at them with a kleenex constantly. Had my 3rd chemo on thursday and my eyes are not running nearly as much. One more to go then I will have to see what is waiting. I was supposed to have Herceptine but now I can not sounds like maybe it will be radiation and then hormone treatment. By the Jax always wear sunglasses outside will help a lot.

    Take care

    Bonnie

  • KKing
    KKing Member Posts: 425
    edited August 2008

    Kellke... great news for you.   I start Taxotere next week.. must be similar to the taxol.   The only s/e I keep hearing about is it affects your nail beds.. so you have to look after them.

    Funny some of you are mentioning about the eyes.   I am finding mine have been really irritated for the last week and they are running.  I did not have this before.  

    Anyone else feeling down at all... I know I am coming up on #4  but I find my moods suck.  We have been busy doing summer things but I am preoccupied thinking all the time about this...that sucks too

    k

  • Donalee
    Donalee Member Posts: 160
    edited August 2008

    Jax,

    I have had a terrible time with my eyes too! I'm on TCH (taxotere, carboplatin, and herceptin), It was after my third treatment, for about two weeks. I haven't done anything as far as drops. It is one day before my next treatment and they seem to be not so runny anymore. I get lots of swelling in the morning though. I called my oncs office and they told me to take an over the counter allergy medicine. (Can't remember the name!!Chemo brain!!! Ugh!)

    Donalee

  • Donalee
    Donalee Member Posts: 160
    edited August 2008

    Jax,

     I think the eye problems are a SE of taxotere. Not sure though, I can't get a straight answer from anyone at my oncs office as to what exactly causes it! (Does anyone else have problems remembering how to spell like I am!?)

    Donalee

  • Vinogal
    Vinogal Member Posts: 439
    edited August 2008

    Donalee.......I'm on the AC part of my chemo........so it's definately not taxotere for me......I am waking up with very puffy eyes in the morning also.........I sure hope that this is just a one treatment fluke........I still have one more AC on Wednesday......before moving on to Taxol.........and my eyes are driving me mad!

    Cheers

    Jax

  • hunkydory
    hunkydory Member Posts: 1,241
    edited August 2008

    Vinogal....this is just a guess, but since we know the chemo increases our sensitivity to the sun we are good about putting on sunscreen.  Is there a chance you went without sunglasses a lot on your vacay and your eyes were overexposed to UV around the water?......I don't know....just seems like the eye thing kind of creeped up on you.  Just a guess.  Hope it gets better.  HunkyD

  • Kellke
    Kellke Member Posts: 424
    edited August 2008

    My eyes have been runny too I completely gave up on any eye makeup after AC number 2 but I thought it was due to allergies.  My nose drips constantly and I have a constant cough.  I have been taking benedryl all the time.  Maybe I should mention these again to my onc but they are not too horrible plus I thought it was from allergies.  Oh well, live and learn,   maybe it will lessen with the taxol and herceptin?  I would much rather have wierd nail beds than a drippy nose!  I am concerned about the switch to taxol because I have felt pretty good with AC and the other boards mention numb fingers as a side effect,  not great when you work with your hands.  :(

    Kelly

  • Wyoming
    Wyoming Member Posts: 381
    edited August 2008

    Hunkydory,  I haven't had any Neuropathy or swelling. I worry about swelling as my underarm is numb where nodes were taken out so I measure my arm regularly. I'm weird.

    My eyes are not runny but I do have a nerve jumping in my right eye.  My nail beds are fine in fact my finger nails have been growing. They look nicer now than before. My eyelashes are also longer. Maybe setting my up for the downfall. So I better enjoy while I have them. HAHAHA!!!!  I love not having to shave.  I do have a lot of dead skin from everywhere. Good thing for baby oil gel. I don't look like I have dandruff on my belly.

    Keep looking at the bright side no matter how smallKiss

  • Rovergirl
    Rovergirl Member Posts: 194
    edited August 2008

    On Wednesday I have taxol infusion #10 and I'm just now starting to experience minor neuropathy and nail problems.  Sorry to say my nails grew like crazy and were much nicer than my pre-chemo nails but my doc says that is not a good sign.  He thinks I'll lose my nails.  I think my nails can limp through taxol but AC isn't any kinder to nails so I'm not holding out much hope.

  • GramE
    GramE Member Posts: 5,056
    edited August 2008

    HI everyone:

    I sort of jumped over to the beginning July thread and have not been here for a while.  6/19 I had my first  tx and 7/31 I had # 4 DD A/C  - my last of this mixture and my tumor has shrunk 25%.  

     The side effects have been minimal for me.  Tender tongue and mouth, but biotene mouth wash and paste help, also eating soft foods and chewing till mush.   I use Gas X for lower gut bloating and eat often, but small amounts - like a cow grazing -- hee hee !!!    Neulasta shots have kept my counts up and I am amazed that I have gotten this far without any real problems, but I thank God each day - and those who are praying for me.   

    My next tx begins 8/14 - 12 weeks of Paclitaxel and Herceptin once a week.  Then surgery consult mid october to see if lump or modified mast or what.   I dont care what is taken off and I will not do recon,  -- and my team of doctors and family and i are all thrilled the tumor has shrunk.  They told me this pre surgery tx was 15 - 20% more successful than surgery first for my dx.   

    Everyone says T and H are easier than the DD A/C, so I hope they are right.   Others have mentioned the nail problems and neuropathy.  Any helpful hints are appreciated.  

    As far as eyes:  I have allergies to dust, flowers, and grass and use eye drops to flush them each morning.  Blinking often helps and IF you are on the computer a lot,  look away often and blink a few times and roll your eyes around.    The nose hairs tend to get thinner so a drippy nose is another thing to deal with, unfortunately.   And your pillow case is where  you put your face (eyes) each night - try changing it before bed each night and NO fabric softener - even on towel or wash cloth.   Sun glasses are a must, even on cloudy days or a hat with a brim. And, as disgusting as it sounds, blow your nose often.  

    In a funny way, I feel like I am packing up to go out with a small child - wipes, drops, snacks, tissues, water bottle, etc...   when it is just me going out for a drive to the store.    I have a small tote bag with all these things in it in the car just in case.   

    Donalee - I used to be a good speller, but lately I can't remember people's names.  They call it chemo brain or in my case add old age (age 62), craft, crs and psd.   Lady I sit next to at bingo for the past year - I could not remember her name the other night..  

    Good luck to everyone.  HUGS & BLESSINGS,   Nancy 

  • Vinogal
    Vinogal Member Posts: 439
    edited August 2008

    Well it's off again in the morning.......last AC.......half way there.......eyes still bugging......but not as bad......fingers crossed for few SE's.......good luck to all having treatment this week!

    Cheers

    Jax

  • StaceyR
    StaceyR Member Posts: 136
    edited August 2008

    I was dumb and didn't pay close attention to my instructions for my dexadron (and my oncologist confused things by issuing two different prescriptions) (oh, and they changed my chemo time in hopes that my neutrophils are higher than they were today). 

    Is it exactly 24 hours before a taxotere infusion that you start the steroids?

     ~Stacey

  • Westie
    Westie Member Posts: 89
    edited August 2008

    Hey, Vinogal, I usually get my chemo on Tues. but it was moved to Wed. this week because of the holiday.  It will be my first Taxol:  it takes 4 hours to run and streroids are taken twice the night before.  Was I ever glad to be done with that AC!  I can add that during AC I was always constipated the first week and had diarrhea the second week.  My eyes have been sore and watery for a couple of weeks.  I think it's the Adriamycin.  Also I think most of us have lost our nose hair and that's why our noses are always dripping.  If you spot me Wed. say 'hi'.  I'm the tall, bloated woman wearing the pink hat! 

    Sorry Stacey-can't answer your question. 

  • Gina_M
    Gina_M Member Posts: 294
    edited August 2008

    Hi Stacey - I was told 2 Decadron the day before the treatment, two the day of treatment and 2 the day after treatment.  I have treatments on Tuesday and go in for blood counts on Monday.  So once I know that treatment will proceed (usually by noon on Monday), I take the first decadron.  Then I take another with dinner.  The day of treatment, I take another with breakfast (my treatment is usually in the morning) then another with dinner that evening and two the next day (breakfast & dinner time).  I don't think there's anything magical about the exact timing, just that they want you to have 3 in you by the time of treatment and 3 after treatment to cut down on the chance of any allergic reaction to the treatment meds.  It also is supposed to reduce water retention a bit.  I wouldn't take two at the same time, but I've taken them as close as 5 hours apart the day before treatment.

    Gina_M.

  • Wyoming
    Wyoming Member Posts: 381
    edited August 2008

    Stacey, My prescription for Decadron is one when I get home from treatment then twice a day for the next 5 days. I also get IV Decadron during treatment.

    If you need a boost I suggest going to the movie "Mama Mia" really cute and just fun. No thinking envolved.

    Have a good one.

  • StaceyR
    StaceyR Member Posts: 136
    edited August 2008

    Thanks for your replies, Gina and Wyoming. 

    Wow, I feel like this is a hefty dose of decadron they've got me on then.  I phoned my assigned nurse to be sure what I was doing and she confirmed that I'm to take 2 pills (4 mg each) twice a day starting the day before chemo (chemo's tomorrow), then taper off.  I don't know if they give a IV decadron during taxotere since it's my first one.

    I suspect this is going to keep me up tonight 'cause I'm feeling pretty funny already.  I wonder if I can find a midnight showing of Mamma Mia?

  • hunkydory
    hunkydory Member Posts: 1,241
    edited May 2011

    Hope this day finds everyone who is getting the juice doing fine and the rest of you without S/E's.  I haven't had much energy since my last trt but I am feeling better each day.  Guess its back to work for me tomorrow until my next treatment.  All you guys getting all this extra decadron really must pump you up.  The only decadron I get is in my IV.  Good day to all!!!  HunkyD

  • KKing
    KKing Member Posts: 425
    edited August 2008

    Stacey

     I just had my taxotere infusion this morning... feeling not to bad.   They put ice packs around your wrists to help with the nail issues.... the ice is a bit of a killer for about 5-10 mins  then it stops and you don't feel anything.

    I was told to take 2 dexamethasone(they are 4 mg each)  8pm last night.. took two this morning at 8 am.   Then they gave me it with the chemo.   then I take 2 tonight at 8.    Then 2 agin tomorrow morning and two tomorrow night.. that finishes that.    Hope this helps. 

    Good luck to everyone this week... hoping for no S/E   for all of you.

    Karen 

  • Vinogal
    Vinogal Member Posts: 439
    edited August 2008

    Hey guys thanks for the well wishes.......hope you all are doing well also........last AC done!.......got a prescrition for some steroid drops for eyes........pharmacy has to order them in.......so I will let you know how well they work tomorrow.........Westie......I wish I would have read your post before now..........were you wearing a blue shirt?........I was there between 8:30 and 1:00 today.......hubby was with me........I had on a pink shirt, shorts and my blonde wig.......would have loved to say hi.......how did the Taxol go?

    Cheers

    Jax

  • Westie
    Westie Member Posts: 89
    edited August 2008

    Congrats, Jax, you are done with that damn AC!  I had on a blue hoodie in the waiting room and a T-shirt with a sunburst on it in the chemo suite.  I took a bed, but it was hard as rock, so in future, I'll get a chair.  You have to take a whack of steroids the night before Taxol, but other than the length of time to get it in,  the Taxol wasn't bad at all.  No syringes of the red juice and no uncomfortable feelings like that 'head dehydration' from the Adriamycin.  I have been super thirsty since I got home and I expect the real side effects to kick in over the next couple of days.  The nurse said to expect aches and pains severe enough to take Tylenol 3, so we'll see.

    Good luck to you and everyone else with their treatments!

  • Kellke
    Kellke Member Posts: 424
    edited August 2008

    I am so glad, if that is the right way to phrase that (?), that you guys are ahead to teach us the ropes about taxol and taxotere.  That is the best thing about these boards, being able to let each other know helpful hints or what to expect. 

    I think we are all taking so many steroids but other than lack of sleep when I don't time them right I have not had any great changes.  I do believe in chemo brain however, if you could see how many times I have to retype my posts, you would too.  Has anyone see the t-shirt that says "I have chemo brain, what's your excuse?"    I could be the poster girl, especially if the want a bald, boobless, getting older quickly, lady.     :)    Kelly

  • KKing
    KKing Member Posts: 425
    edited August 2008

    Day 2 after taxotere... can eat good.   Getting my neulasta shot soon, nurse comes in.    I hear day 3 may bring some bone pain for about 24 hours... was talking with a girl yesterday that had it after her 1st infusion.    So, I think I will start taking some tylenol tonight and see if that offsets it.    They wouldn't give me anything stronger at the clinic unles I was already experiencing pain... go figure.  

    Hoping everyone else if having a good day.

    Karen 

  • StaceyR
    StaceyR Member Posts: 136
    edited August 2008

    I survived my first taxotere, too.  They put full ice mitts on my hands to ward off nail issues.  I think I slept only 4 hours last night after my first day of steroids, but I'm hoping tonight is better.  The worst part for me today was when the nurse did the Heparin in my port to flush it.  That taste that goes instantly to your mouth almost made me vomit; gotta be ready next time with some strong candies or something.

  • GramE
    GramE Member Posts: 5,056
    edited August 2008

    Hi all, Welcome to those just beginning the first round.  I had Dose Dense Adriamycin and Cytoxan, for 4 rounds, every 2 weeks and I am also done with it.  It was not all that bad, in my chemo fogged opinion...    

    The day of chemo I took an Emend, got some stuff via iv, but not sure what all there was.  Day 2 and 3 I took Emend in the morning with Dexamethasone (4 mg) and Ondansetron ( 8 mg) also known as Zofan,   D and O around 4 pm with food on day 2 and 3.  Then day 4, O  morning and afternoon.    I was told I can take zofan for a couple more days if needed, twice a day, but did not need it.  

    But on day 2 I was wired for sound.. color coordinated my undies drawer and closet.  Zoomed around like the tazmanian devil with a really high energy level.  They said to take the pills no later than 5 pm or it "might" keep me awake... 3 am is about the time I finally took a warm shower and hit the pillow.   

    Is or has anyone done Paclitaxel and herceptin weekly?  I begin next Thursday - once a week for 12 weeks.  Onco says no pre meds and side effects should be even less than I had w/ the a/c.   Of course the first tx will be another new adventure and I am getting tired of "adventures".  

    I heard about the bad  taste when they flush the port - forget what is good for that, ice chips maybe?   Monday I get the port implanted, so I will see how that goes for Thursday's tx.   

    For 3 of the 4 tx I had, they gave me a small amount of Ativan via iv since I was somewhat "emotional" - first after hearing the tumor had shrunk after only one tx (happy emotion), then when a man arrived in the next chair with an oxygen tanking hissing with each breath (sad emotion).  My husband was on oxygen 24/7 before he died, and it is over 5 years ago --  and it brought back all the  memories of his suffering and I had to be moved to another room.    But they also told me not to be upset since this IS a very emotional time for us all and that is what the drugs are for.   

    May you each have a good or at least a better day today.  HUGS and BLESSINGS, Nancy 

  • Wyoming
    Wyoming Member Posts: 381
    edited August 2008

    It is taking me longer to get back to "normal". Each treatment takes longer. But over all I feel good. I can do most everything that I did before. Just rest more, don't sleep but do rest. I have read a lot during the wee hours in the morning. Having the night sweats something fierce. Making me breakout on my chest. I guess the zits make me feel youngUndecided

    Keep thinking good thoughts!

  • Rovergirl
    Rovergirl Member Posts: 194
    edited August 2008

    AKNancy -

    I'm on weekly taxol treatments just completed 10 out 12.  I find taxol to be quite tolerable w/ minimal SE until recently.  I'm having a hard time with my nails ...... they are very tender but considering this is the worse SE I've had and it started late in the treatment I'm not complaining. I also have a hard time sleeping after infusion day due to the dexamethasone but I take a sleep aid and that really helps.   I'll start AC in September (15 weekly infusions) and am nervous about the unknown. 

    Rover

  • hunkydory
    hunkydory Member Posts: 1,241
    edited May 2011

    Wyoming:  I am finding each treatment harder to get my energy back as well.  Had to laugh about the "zits"  There is not one thing I can see or feel on my body that is making me feel any younger!!!  I do notice each time about 9 days after trt my bad-node arm is a little more tight all the way down.  Then it seems to loosen up again.  I DON'T WANT LE!!!  I still have rads to go and that scares me for the LE issue.  What about you?  I remember you saying you measure yours....I haven't done that yet.  I can't visually see any difference in size.  Here's cheers to all you June bugs....and a happy weekend.   HunkyD

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